If you are in any sort of relationship with an enneagram 8 or 9, you want to hear this podcast episode!

On May 7, Joey (8) and Billy Schewee (9) joined Suzanne, and then later Joe, to talk about parenting, relationships, the enneagram, struggling, and being vulnerable during the pandemic.

Their conversation was so great, we decided to flip it for the TEJ Podcast!

In episode 85, the first of two episodes, we learn about:

• Enneagram 8s and 9s and co-parenting. It's not always so easy!

• "Scene Control" for 8s

• Vulnerability vs. Transparency

• 9s, parenting, and energy

• Advice for relationships between 2 mothers and their 8 daughters.

"I have the highest expectations of you without wanting to be close to you. And that's where the problem comes."

- Joey (8)

And a very cool and special ending to today's episode from our friends Andy Gullahorn and Jill Phillips!