Our good friends Brad and Noelle join Suzanne on The Journey today to talk about their relationship, their family, and how they have navigated life over the past 15 years as an Enneagram 7 and 4.

The first half includes a lot of good enneagram stance talk and great discussion on the Head and the Heart and that disconnect in their relationship.

"We realized that we don't know how to argue. He is very good at arguing, and I'm very good at retreating." - Noelle

The second half of the show the Otts share their joys and struggles in building a family. The discussion includes discernment, they're experiences with therapy, and tools and advise for other parents going through tough seasons.

“...learning how to have the freedom within messy trauma to re-write the script of how things are supposed to look.”